What happens when justice hits a jurisdictional wall?

In this episode, I sit down with Jerome Lucero, former police chief and three-time governor of the Pueblo of Zia tribe to unpack the tangled web of tribal law enforcement, federal oversight and the devastating consequences of legal fragmentation on Indigenous lands.

From the landmark Supreme Court decisions in United States v. Cooley and McGirt v. Oklahoma to a haunting case of one of New Mexico's top fugitives being able to roam freely on tribal lands, Jerome shares firsthand insights into how sovereignty victories can both empower and complicate justice.

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