What if the secret to lifelong romance isn’t perfection—but being willing to grow together, even after 30 years?

On this episode of the Marriage of Greatness podcast, Evan Money and Susan Money welcome John Burge and Diana Burge, a couple who defy the odds in a world where LA’s divorce rate soars to 75%. Discover how they’ve built a marriage that stands out for joy, connection, and continued growth—even as entrepreneurs, parents of grown daughters, and mentors to other couples.

Key highlights:

• The three things John Burge and Diana Burge are most grateful for about each other—including humor, empathy, and faith.
• Personal journeys of outgrowing people-pleasing and learning to let go as parents.
• The surprising advice they give every couple about happiness and priorities.
• Daily habits, the “marriage pyramid,” and the transformative power of just 10 intentional minutes together.
• How their devotion to marriage ministry and working on themselves has changed their lives.

Don’t miss their heartening insights and vulnerable stories about building greatness in marriage—no matter what stage of life you’re in.

Timestamped Overview

[00:00] Meet John & Diana Burge

[01:47] Introduction and background

[04:04] Top three things they’re grateful for

[07:30] Discussion on eating disorders & body image

[10:49] Outgrowing people-pleasing and letting go as parents

[14:13] Their daughters and family updates

[17:08] When they realized their marriage was different

[19:52] The power of intentional connection

[23:34] Most impactful marriage advice

[29:03] The importance of daily intentional conversation

[31:06] If your marriage was a movie...

[32:47] Most memorable gifts given

[35:43] Encouragement for couples: 100/0, happiness, and personal growth

[39:34] Wrap-up and how to connect