Burnout doesn’t always show up as falling apart.

Sometimes it looks like holding everything together for too long.

In this episode of AND/BOTH, Ashley sits down with Sarah Smith — founder of Iconoclast Innovations, mom of two, and self-described iconoclast — for a deeply honest conversation about motherhood, mental health, and rebuilding yourself after burnout.

Sarah shares her experience navigating postpartum anxiety and depression during the pandemic, being laid off multiple times, starting a business while pregnant, and learning how to advocate for herself in a system that often loses sight of mothers after birth.

Together, Ashley and Sarah talk about identity shifts after becoming a parent, why burnout is information (not failure), how community and support can be lifesaving, and what it really means to choose yourself and your family — even when it’s messy.

This episode is for anyone who has ever wondered: Why does this feel so hard — and am I the only one struggling?

You’re not alone. And you’re not doing it wrong.

Connect with Sarah:

Website: https://iconoclastinnovationsllc.com/

Connect with Ashley:

Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.com

Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/

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