What if the biggest lie women were sold isn’t “have it all” but “you can have it all at the same time”?

This week, I had the pleasure of talking with my new friend, Kate Zepernick. She’s a Georgia Tech grad, former consulting high-achiever, and now a mom who’s lived the full arc. Full-time grind, “part-time” that wasn’t really part-time, strategic role changes, and eventually choosing to step away without losing herself.

We talk about the stuff most women don’t like to say out loud, like why one kid feels hard but two kids changes everything, why the daycare conversation makes people so defensive, and why high-achieving women wait for permission to choose their families. We also get honest about what it feels like to lose the praise and identity that come with work, why the gray area between full-time work and staying home is real and underused, and the uncomfortable truth that many families don’t actually have real choice anymore.

This conversation is for the woman who is tired, conflicted, quietly resentful of her job, but also scared of who she’ll be without it. If this conversation makes you feel seen and a little called out, good. That usually means you’re finally being honest with yourself.

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