Makenzie Darling spent over a decade building campaigns that reached millions of people, from anti-bullying programmes with Major League Baseball and ESPN to a global kindness campaign that touched 125 countries. She later became chief of staff inside some of the fastest growing organisations in the psychedelic and consciousness space, helping build the systems, governance and community structures that took them from a handful of people to national scale. But her own path here started somewhere much harder: she grew up the black sheep of a family marked by addiction, and within months lost both her parents, her job and her health all at once. She rebuilt everything from there, and now teaches leaders and founders how to build movements instead of businesses, with a sharp focus on power, accountability and what it actually means to lead with integrity. This conversation is about what she learned from the inside of organisations that lived up to their values, and the ones that didn't.

Chapters

00:00 Intro
02:04 What do you do?
03:12 Karmic assignment vs purpose vs passion
06:23 Psychedelic churches and the psychedelic renaissance
10:53 Becoming an entheogenic minister
12:10 From educational technology to movement building
14:58 It ends with me
17:28 The ayahuasca journey and the dam
21:15 Messiah complex and the ego in plant medicine
24:28 What is a movement maker?
26:46 Extraction dressed as devotion
28:37 Patagonia and corporate movements
32:54 Power literacy and decentralisation
37:59 Does power corrupt?
41:30 Inside the incubator
44:50 Ancestral healing and epigenetics
50:28 Her mother's addiction and death
51:44 Riches to rags and accessibility in healing
59:51 Community, loneliness and rebuilding
1:04:42 Designing for belonging
1:11:07 Cultural appropriation in psychedelics
1:13:58 The Enneagram
1:18:10 Faith, God and reclaiming the word
1:21:34 Cults vs movements
1:25:35 Being let down by spiritual leaders
1:32:17 Holding both the genius and the flaws
1:38:06 Closing reflections

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