Ask a man how he's doing and you'll almost always hear "I'm good." But are we, really? In Episode 12, Tammy and Lori sit down with Norman Robinson — a leadership coach and therapist who's spent decades working with men — to talk about his new program helping men reconnect with their emotions, their relationships, and themselves.

We get into why men are taught to keep it all in, the difference between fixing and being present, the quiet power of asking for what you need, and what real leadership looks like at home. It's honest, warm, and full of wisdom — and it was Norman's first podcast ever.

0:00 Welcome to Episode 12

1:05 Meet Norman: 50 years in the room with men

2:10 "I'm good" — the lie almost every man tells

3:50 The word that broke him open: "neglect"

4:10 Inside the program: emotions, embodiment & the nervous system

8:45 "There's a lane for you": leading with inspiration

12:35 Why men are taught to shut down

15:15 Don't fix it — just be present

17:05 "I just need you to listen": Lori & her husband

22:10 Two timelines: choosing a different path

24:35 The marriage lesson: just ask

29:15 The 10 days a month men never knew about

32:40 "It gets to be easy": redefining leadership

36:55 How the world makes men look small

42:10 The crisis facing young men

44:05 Women, voice & the divine masculine

50:10 Tammy's story: making amends & breaking the cycle

56:05 Connection, disconnection & repair

59:59 Slow down — "the thing is not the thing"

1:02:10 Where to find Norman + goodbye

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