In 2004, US Navy pilots encountered something off the coast of San Diego that they couldn't explain. In 2017, the New York Times put it on the front page. The Pentagon confirmed it was real. And the world kind of shrugged. This episode is about the Tic Tac — what happened, why it mattered, and why even after everything that's followed, people still don't seem to care that much. Plus: what Canada has quietly been doing while all of this unfolds in Washington.

The Tic Tac encounter is the moment the modern UAP conversation went mainstream. Navy pilots. Pentagon confirmation. New York Times front page. It should have been earth-shattering. And in some ways it was — but the general public reaction was a lot of "huh, interesting" before moving on.

Since then, the evidence has only stacked higher. Congressional hearings. Whistleblowers testifying under oath. The White House releasing classified files. And yet Capital D Disclosure — the moment someone in a suit stands at a podium and says here's what we know — still hasn't happened.

This episode also asks: while all of this is unfolding in Washington, what is Canada doing? The answer is more interesting than you might think. And more frustrating.

SHOW NOTES / RESOURCES:

The Tic Tac encounter:

→ David Fravor on 60 Minutes (2021) — the clearest, most accessible account of what happened. Search "Fravor 60 Minutes" on YouTube.

→ David Fravor on Joe Rogan Experience #1361 — longer, more detailed, great listen

→ NewsNation: "The Tic Tac incident — inside one of the most consequential UFO encounters of all time" — newsnationnow.com

→ The original New York Times article, December 16 2017: "Glowing Auras and Black Money: The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" — nytimes.com

David Grusch:

→ House Oversight Committee hearing, July 26 2023 — full testimony on YouTube

→ The Debrief original reporting, June 5 2023: thedebrief.org — first major outlet to break the Grusch story

→ Grusch on Capitol steps, June 9 2026 — YouTube

The PURSUE files:

→ Pentagon PURSUE portal: aaro.mil

→ CBS News coverage of second tranche release, May 2026

Canada's UAP situation:

→ VICE: "The Canadian Military Is Quietly Logging UFO Sightings" — available via vice.com search

→ CBC: Canada's history of UFO documentation — search "CBC UFO Canada ATIP"

→ Sky Canada Project report, July 2025 — Office of the Chief Science Advisor of Canada: science.gc.ca

→ CTV News: "UFO conference lands in Canada as Trump administration continues to release documents" — ctvnews.ca, June 15 2026