What if we prioritized relationships over the chase for success? What if we ignored the siren call of social media in exchange for cultivating a sense of purpose? Dr. Vivek Murthy, the 19th and 21st Surgeon General of the United States, has made it his mission to sound the alarm on one of the defining public health crises of our time: loneliness. In his conversation, Murthy makes the case for a fundamental reordering of what we value, describing a "triad of fulfillment" that's the path to real flourishing. He also reveals his next chapter: a new podcast called Staying Human.

Find him at vivekmurthy.substack.com

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