What does it look like to lead hundreds of people every week — and have no idea you're quietly breaking down inside your own marriage?

Hiubert and Xiomara are Connection Codes certified coaches,former associate pastors, worship leaders, and evangelists who spent nearly twodecades in ministry. From the outside, everything looked like it was working.On the inside, they were burned out, emotionally disconnected, and — withoutknowing it — grieving separately in a marriage that had no language for whatthey were carrying.

In this episode, Dr. Glenn and Phyllis Hill sit down withHiubert and Xiomara to hear the whole story: how two miscarriages exposed agrief they'd never named together, how Hiubert moved from dismissing emotionsas weakness to going on what he calls a "repentance tour" witheveryone he'd ever led, and how the Core Emotion Wheel and Connection Codescourses gave them the tools to become not just a healthier couple — but moreconnected, trusted leaders.

Their story doesn't stop at their own front door. Within weeksof learning the Core Wheel, they were on a stage in Mexico City teaching it inSpanish. They've since brought Connection Codes to communities across the US,Mexico, Ethiopia, and beyond — because, as Hiubert says, good news is worthtelling.

This conversation is for the leader who is exhausted fromholding everyone else together. For the couple that talks about hard thingslike logistics. For the pastor who thinks emotions are a sign of weak faith.And for anyone who has ever said: I had no idea they were hurting too.

In This Episode

• Why ministry burnout is an emotional health crisis thathides behind visible success

• How Xiomara was in a decade-long depression she didn'thave words for — and where she finally found them

• The moment they did the Core Wheel about theirmiscarriages for the first time — and what Hiubert had been carrying alone

• Hiubert's "repentance tour" — goingback to every person he'd ever led and apologizing

• How giving your congregation the Core Wheel might bethe most disarming leadership move you have

• Why the Core Wheel reduces decision fatigue and burnoutfor leaders — not just couples

• The biblical case for emotional expression: Job's 37chapters of being "oohed" by God

• What happened when a pastor did the Core Wheel in frontof his entire congregation

• The first Connection Coders in Bolivia — and what theywept when told their emotions were allowed

• A live Core Wheel demonstration with Hiubert andXiomara at the end of the episode

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Resources

Get the Core Emotion Wheel → www.connectioncodes.co/podcast

Book a Connection Codes Coach → connectioncodes.co/coaches

Work with Hiubert & Xiomara (Spanish-speaking coachreferrals) → connectioncodes.co/coaches

Xiomara’s Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/hixio/

Hiubert’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hiubertzamora/

Late Night Course → connectioncodes.co/late-night

Foundations Course → connectioncodes.co/foundations