Recorded live at Climate Action Week Sydney, this episode of A Rational Fear dives deep into the rise of the far right, fossil-fuel-funded disinformation, and what it all means for Australia’s climate future and democracy.

Host Dan Ilic is joined on stage by:

• Malcolm Turnbull – former Prime Minister, now “concerned private citizen”
• Ed Coper – communications strategist and author of Angertainment
• Kate Hook – farmer, regional community leader, and two-time community independent candidate (Climate 200 co-convener)

Across this wide-ranging conversation, they unpack:

• Why the far right’s culture war is such a serious threat to climate action
• How “anger-tainment” media ecosystems (hello Sky News) and social platforms reward disinformation
• The inside story on fossil-fuel-backed campaigns, from Clive Palmer to astroturf outfits like “Australians for Prosperity”
• The existential crisis inside the Liberal Party and the risks of preferencing One Nation
• How regional communities are actually embracing renewables when they control the process and share the benefits
• The rise of community independents and why ordinary people, not party machines, are now driving political change

It’s funny, bleak, hopeful, and occasionally unhinged—classic Rational Fear.

• Climate politics & the far right
• Turnbull on why opposition to climate action has become “religion” rather than economics
• How internal Liberal/National dynamics warped energy policy around coal and renewables
• “Angertainment” & the media ecosystem
• Ed Coper explains how social media rewards outrage and emotional extremes
• How a small 7–10% anti-climate minority ends up feeling like 50% of the country
• The dangers of amplifying fringe narratives until they look mainstream
• Disinformation playbook & fossil fuel money
• Coordinated disinformation in the 2025 federal election, including:
• ~$80m in fossil-fuel-aligned spending
• Front groups like Australians for Prosperity attacking pro-climate independents
• Intimidatory tactics, rotating party shirts, and creepy “Don’t get hooked” billboards
• The global network of think tanks and astroturf groups exporting the same anti-climate tactics to Australia
• Liberal Party’s existential crisis
• Why Turnbull thinks there are “virtually no moderates” left federally
• How chasing One Nation on immigration and culture wars strengthens One Nation, not the Libs
• The potential fallout if the Liberals preference One Nation in seats like Farrer
• Community independents & regional hope
• Kate Hook’s experience campaigning in Calare and working in Hay and other regional communities
• How structured community engagement turns hostility toward renewables into enthusiasm when locals control the benefits
• The independent “ecosystem”: thousands of volunteers, trusted local messengers, and evidence-based policymaking
• The big question: how do we eventually get these independents from the crossbench into government and cabinet?
• How to fight disinformation
• Turnbull on why “ignore it and don’t give it oxygen” no longer works
• The “whack-a-mole” and inoculation approach: pre-bunking lies and relentlessly correcting them
• The importance of better stories, not just better facts
• Power, agency & what listeners can do
• Why grievance parties like One Nation don’t have real solutions—only easy pills for complex problems
• Community organizing, local campaigns, and supporting independents as the real counterweight to fossil fuel money
• “There’s no cavalry coming over the hill” – why we are the ones we’ve been waiting for

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