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Leadership didn’t become exclusionary over time. It was intentionally built that way.

In this replay episode of The Empowered & Embodied Show, Kim Romain and Louise Neil sit down with Shoshana Allice, a neuro-inclusive leadership coach and consultant, to examine how leadership systems are rooted in exclusion and what it takes to lead differently.

This conversation explores decolonizing leadership, the myth of belonging through conformity, and how power, privilege, and productivity norms shape who gets to lead and who gets left out. Together, they name the ways we’ve been taught to wear armor, suppress our bodies, and confuse fitting in with safety.

This episode covers:

• Why so many leadership systems are exclusionary
• What it means to decolonize leadership and unlearn inherited norms
• Belonging vs. fitting in
• Rest as resistance inside productivity culture
• Curiosity as a leadership practice
• Reclaiming humanity in leadership and work

If you’re questioning traditional leadership models, navigating burnout, or searching for more honest and humane ways to lead, this episode offers language (and permission) to stop pretending the system works for everyone.

Key Moments:

00:00 – Welcome and Introductions
07:20 – Curiosity, Writing, and Listening to the Process
13:20 – Introducing Shoshana Alice
15:47 – Land Acknowledgement and Context
21:33 – What Decolonizing Leadership Really Means
25:15 – Safety, Armor, and Brave Spaces
30:04 – Curiosity as the Starting Point
34:45 – Belonging vs. Fitting In
38:32 – Age, Wisdom, and Leadership
44:36 – Key Takeaways and Reflections
49:10 – Where to Find Shoshana and Closing

Resources Mentioned:

📖 Rest as Resistance by Tricia Hersey

🎥 This is Water

Connect with Shoshana:

🌎 www.decolonizingleadership.com

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