If courtroom showdowns, legal strategy, and headline-making trials are your thing, you won't want to miss this episode!

Welcome back to Lawyer Talk! In this episode, Steve Palmer and Troy Henricksen talk about a hot legal issue that’s making big headlines: the trial of Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan.

This isn’t your everyday courtroom drama—judge Dugan’s actions set off a wave of political controversy and questions about judicial authority, federal versus state power, and the real-life consequences of policies clashing in America’s courthouses.

Steve Palmer and Troy Henricksen break down the facts like a law school case study, dissecting the judge’s decision to confront federal immigration agents and help an undocumented defendant avoid ICE agents in the courthouse.

The conversation covers everything from the tangled web of federal and state jurisdictions, the constitutional Supremacy Clause, and judicial immunity, to the practical strategies used in jury selection—like seeking jurors who might lean a certain way politically.

Throughout the episode, you’ll hear spirited debate, memorable courthouse anecdotes, and sharp legal analysis as Steve Palmer and Troy Henricksen put themselves in the shoes of both the prosecution and the defense. They predict outcomes, debate gray areas in the law, and even place a friendly wager on how this real-world legal drama will unfold.

Moments

00:00 "Judge Defies ICE in Courtroom"

03:29 "Out the Back Door"

09:13 "Supremacy Clause and Federal Law"

12:45 "Mens Rea: Intent Explained"

15:44 "Politics and Fair Trial Debate"

17:11 Jury Nullification and Political Context

20:30 "Verdict Predictions and Recap"

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