In Part 1 of this conversation, Chris sits down with Pastor Justin Wideman of Direct Baptist Church in Direct, Texas — a rural congregation that is defying every church growth statistic in the book. Families aren't trickling in one or two at a time. They're showing up in groups of six, eight, and ten — and they're staying.

Justin talks candidly about what's driving the growth — and gives most of the credit to his people. Direct Baptist has cultivated something rare: a church that doesn't expect you to act saved before you get there. Young families are finding a home, kids are running the hallways, and Sunday school classes are so full they need to split them just to breathe.

But Justin isn't satisfied with full pews. The harder question he keeps asking is whether the church is actually producing disciples — devoted, developing, and deployed. He breaks down what Direct Baptist means by discipleship, why so many churches are fishing with the wrong bait, and what it looks like to teach a generation of new believers who speak an entirely different language than the one the church has been using for decades.

Also in this episode: why Noah understood building committees, why there's no golf in the Bible, and what 100% of Christians actually believe about the virgin birth.